I'm not disagreeing... we move a head through experiments... I wouldn't be where I am without trying things that haven't really been done before. But everyone needs a starting place, sometimes the learning process comes a lot faster by trying something that has been done before just so you can learn how and why something works the way it does. Most people here on this forum are leaps and bounds a head of a regular joe because they have built something that burns wood... gasification is a simple process... pas wood smoke through a red hot layer of char coal in a limited oxygen enviroment... simple... honest... lol... it's everything else dealing with raw wood that makes it kinda complicated. I'm here and more than happy to act as a sounding board for anyone that has questions... I have a pretty good understanding of what has been tried and what does and doesn't work... just an fyi.. that g3 does technically have a grate, just not a grate like everyone else uses... the gap at the bottom of the cone is acting as the grate.